of fame. they mentioned craig biggio, and jeff morris, jeff bagwell, mike piazza tim raines, and lee smith. they need 75% to get into the hall of fame, roger clemens, barry bonds, roger clemens won seven cy young awards, barry bonds won seven awards. mark mcgwire, less than 17%, sammy sosa, 12.5%, rafael palmeiro, almost all of them would be first ballot hall of famers. this is only the third time since 1961, it's pretty shocking and it is kind of an overall indictment on an entire era of our national pass time. >> have any of these stars fessed up to their steroid use? have any of them to this day come clean? >> well, when it comes to barry bonds, he says he never knowingly took steroids. clemens has been steadfast that he is innocent. and i always equate this to the lance armstrong debate. and we get into this with mr. verducci who is a great baseball reporter and historian, the evidence is overwhelming, the longer they don't tell the truth, the harder it is for these people to live good lives, actually. >> getting honest with yourself. brian, stick around with me. stay with me on this.